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hello and welcome to episode number 40

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always i'm your host exo academian

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when it comes to diving into the ultima

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mysterium that is the ufo phenomenon

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someone new to the endeavor is likely to

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quickly find themselves surprised and

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likely overwhelmed by just how many

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directions this topic can quickly

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diverge into

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in the simpler time of the early to mid

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20th century

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sightings of strange objects in the sky

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inspired earthlings to imagine the dawn

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of an era of visitation

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from other planetary civilizations

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were these martians or venusians

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the collective imagination of the time

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didn't go much beyond that

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of course the nature of the conversation

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about the ufo phenomenon today is in a

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very different place

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a plain question with a few apparent

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options on the table in terms of answers

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has burgeoned into a much larger

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multi-faceted discussion not just about

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alien visitors traversing the immense

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distances of interstellar space and we

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are talking interstellar space at this

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point because we now understand unlike

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those in the early to mid 20th century

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that the neighboring planets of our own

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solar system are decidedly lifeless and

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barren

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but also one about parallel dimensions

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of reality perhaps existing right

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alongside us and even even more

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bewilderingly perhaps consisting of

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entities that can hop back and forth

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between our and some of these other

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dimensions with the ease and regularity

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upon which we move from one room of a

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house to another

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as if that added complexity wasn't

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already enough to juggle

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in-depth investigations into the nature

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of the apparent contact experiences

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between these alien visitors and human

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suggest these others many of them anyway

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are capable of manipulating human

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perception

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and perhaps even human consciousness

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itself

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somewhat like how we might control a

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puppet on a string

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to the point where even the data we

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gather to examine the objective nature

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of our interactions with these others

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is called into question

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after all if they can not only control

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what we see taste smell feel and hear

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but also apparently implant false

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memories that are indistinguishable from

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real events of our past

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how much confidence can we have in any

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analysis of the data we do

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it does seem fair to say that whatever

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conclusions we do come to after coming

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through and collating this data

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is precisely the conclusions these

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others are comfortable with us coming to

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while some human beings who look into

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this phenomenon find themselves feeling

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frustrated and helpless after having

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understood the degree of superiority

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these others wield over us other people

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are less concerned and are perhaps even

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inspired and hopeful that a more

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advanced intelligence in our midst

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perhaps is here to help prevent us from

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rushing off the precipice of doom we've

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arrived at after centuries of

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self-inflicted violence and aggression

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now while this is undoubtedly a lot to

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take in when we look at the amalgam of

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experiences of people who've had

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supposed contact with these others

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certain patterns do emerge albeit with

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the caveat of perception control we

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in fact common data points have become

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apparent to the point where some people

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have endeavored to catalog whole species

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of alien intelligences

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resulting in so-called almanacs of

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extraterrestrial species

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of course with such books we're right

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back where we started with a bold-faced

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assumption that the nature of these

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non-human intelligences is simply and

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solely extraterrestrial

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a questionable conclusion to be sure

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that said it can be helpful to pause the

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process of examining new cases in order

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to look back at the data we've gathered

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from a so-called 30 000 foot view

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peering over the information in its

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totality to see what overarching

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perspectives may emerge

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using both the tools of steel tooth

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analysis and inspirational insight

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and that ambitious endeavor is exactly

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what we'll embark upon in this the 40th

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episode of the point of convergence

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podcast

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as i've mentioned before on this podcast

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i like to go back and forth between the

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micro and the macro view when it comes

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to examining the ufo phenomenon and high

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strangeness in general as we're prone to

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do on this podcast

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and that's because we can certainly gain

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additional details often very fruitful

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details that are telling

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and hinted something

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underlyingly true about the ufo

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phenomenon

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but it's also helpful to step back take

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the big picture perspective and look at

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the overall trends and themes that

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emerge over time as we examine more and

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more cases

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the more you find certain elements

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repeat themselves in multiple cases from

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different witnesses and different

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experiences

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the more confidence you can have that

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this is really revealing something

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fundamentally true about the nature of

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that said because of the tricky nature

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of this phenomenon as i just talked

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about in the introduction

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where both our perception and even our

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consciousness it would seem can be

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controlled by these others

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any conclusions we come to should be

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somewhat tentative

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what we may be experiencing is just a

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surface level a facade of sorts and

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there may be one or even multiple levels

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of reality below that but we can at

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least do that examine the surface level

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what appears to us

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and as i just said what common trends do

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we notice when we look at a variety of

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experiencers experiences over time

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across cultures etc

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now one important point that i'd like to

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bring to your attention when it comes to

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studying the ufo phenomenon

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is that even seasoned investigators seem

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to go through seasons where certain

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come to the fore for them and in other

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seasons different elements come to the

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like jacques villa for instance and i

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see that trend

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and colin wilson has written an

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excellent book several years ago called

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alien dawn and he also notices this

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and he talks about this how ballet seems

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to go through different seasons where

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he's emphasizing at least different

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elements of the ufo phenomenon

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now that may be the case

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or perhaps valet would defend himself

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and say i just wanted to focus on one

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element and then another and then

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and he has said in fact that the

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paradoxes that come out in his work is

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really just because that's there in the

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phenomenon itself it's in the data we

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but i think there may be more than this

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i think that colin wilson may be on to

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something that as we study this

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phenomenon different elements do appear

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what's of course interesting is to

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question does the phenomenon itself lead

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us in one direction and then another

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i have to be honest and say as a

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supposed objective observer

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i sometimes feel

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a slightly almost unconscious leading

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going on it's something that i can never

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quite put my finger on but i sometimes

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look back and go i wonder what made me

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go in that direction then and this other

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direction another time again it's almost

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impossible to know it may indeed be

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impossible to know but it is something

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this may be something like the analogy

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of when people blindfolded are studying

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an elephant for the first time and

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trying to report back in terms of what

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what they report back may be very

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different because one may be

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kneeling down and feeling a giant

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elephant foot and saying well it's like

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this the textures like this is about

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this size

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another person may be at the trunk and

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saying no it's much more like this it's

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kind of flexible it goes up and down

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the elephant and feeling the top of its

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back again depending on where you are

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you're going to have a different

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experience and report back different

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elements and because we are somewhat

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blindfolded when it comes to this

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phenomenon we don't really know how much

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of the totality we're seeing or how the

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different parts relate together

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again it makes it very fascinating but

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now let's get on to discussing contact

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whatever you want to call it let's just

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discuss that entire part of the

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phenomenon

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because i think it's essential

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to discuss the ufo phenomenon without

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discussing contact events experiences

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is something akin to walking into a

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restaurant

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and reviewing it based on the decor of

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the restaurant without ever discussing

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the meal you actually consumed there

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that said it is very difficult to get

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the mainstream media and our politicians

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and whatnot to actually take this part

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of the phenomenon seriously and yet we

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could easily argue this is the most

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essential part of the phenomenon

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even for someone with a pedigree of

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ralph blumenthal for instance getting an

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article discussing experiencers accounts

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and the implications

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is a major challenge

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now just in case you're not familiar

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with who ralph blumenthal is

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he is the person along with leslie kane

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who wrote the famous article the now

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famous article that was published in the

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new york times in 2017

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discussing a tip and the actual evidence

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for these videos and photographs of

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these uap

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that really helped to launch this topic

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into the stratosphere so to speak within

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the mainstream

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the fact that a paper with the history

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and gravitas of the new york times

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published this article was

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extremely important for this topic to

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move forward to go beyond the ridicule

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factor the scof factor the x-files

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factor for it to be taken seriously

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finally as an objective

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field of study we're not quite there yet

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but we've come a long way and that

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article has a lot to do with it

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now

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ralph blumenthal followed up that

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article with some others and more

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recently he's written an article about

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experiencers

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now he had

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a agreement with the new york times to

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publish this article when he was done

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the challenge is as we ended up learning

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from ralph himself this past week the

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champions of his cause the editors who

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had agreed to publish this article when

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he was finished

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ended up moving on from the paper before

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he was done so when it came time to

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actually publish it the latest editors

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were not interested they did not have

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the same confidence in this topic and

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maybe didn't have the history with ralph

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to feel confident in publishing it a

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very unfortunate turn of events and i'm

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sure that was extremely frustrating for

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ralph it certainly is frustrating to all

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of us who want to continue to see this

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topic move forward in the public sphere

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and it wasn't just the new york times

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ralph made it clear that when he tried

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to get other mainstream papers to

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publish this he simply couldn't he came

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up empty-handed and that is quite

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telling that should show us where we

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actually are in this process we still

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have a ways to go and we shouldn't get

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ahead of ourselves

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in the end a smaller startup paper known

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as the debrief ended up agreeing to

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publish this paper

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now even there though it was frustrating

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to me that a certain disclaimer was

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included with this article and i want to

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read that disclaimer to you

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and just to be crystal clear this was an

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article about contact d

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abductees slash experiencers

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quoting from this editorial note quote

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these phenomena colloquially known as

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alien abduction or alien contact have

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not been adequately studied and

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according to contemporary scientific

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understanding are not a proven objective

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event

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due to the nature of these accounts and

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the related phenomena they cannot be

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verified by the debrief's editorial team

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these unedited accounts have been

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included strictly for the sake of

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posterity at the request of the author

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unquote

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here is my response to that what i

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consider unwarranted unnecessary

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editorial note

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the even bigger issue here is how one

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goes about even defining a quote-unquote

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objective event

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bottom line that is an outdated notion

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when it comes to vast swaths of clearly

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demonstrable data regarding the ufo

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phenomenon

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again we look back at historic

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researchers like jacques villa who've

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moved this topic into a completely

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different place because of their dogger

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determinism to get at the data look for

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trends and most importantly pay very

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close attention to witness accounts and

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how witnesses are actually changed over

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the long term by these events

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now if jacques were to apply the same

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kind of criteria as the debrief team we

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would not have his significant and

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topic changing work as a result

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again

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bottom line this topic does challenge

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our very notions of reality it

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challenges the supremacy and the

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adequacy the sufficiency of the

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scientific method

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scientific materialism to some degree

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gets turned on its head when we look at

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the data for this topic

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but i do not think the answer is to

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therefore exclude all of the data that

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clearly seems like an outlier to

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scientific materialism if we do that

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we're left with pretty much nothing at

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all and that's partly why this topic

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hasn't moved forward in the mainstream

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over the last several decades

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now let me also address what is a bit of

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a pet peeve of mine it's something i've

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mentioned numerous times on this podcast

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people often talk about the ufo

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phenomenon as if it's one thing as if

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the entire totality all of the different

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behaviors

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and activities are the product of a

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singular actor in other words one

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intelligence or a group of entities that

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belong to one species bottom line it

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comes down to a singular actor basically

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one agenda

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i think that is mistaken for numerous

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reasons and i've touched on those before

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so i won't get into too much of it again

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now

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but i will say that i don't think it's

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just people's bias towards a certain

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perspective that gets them to that point

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where they think about it in terms of

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just one actor

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it's also partly due to the fact that

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the notion of accepting the reality that

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sophisticated and likely superior

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non-human intelligence is already here

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in our midst is already a massive leap

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for most people

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so tacking on the additional notion of

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multiple intelligences or multiple

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species or as i tend to believe the

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notion that reality is actually teeming

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with interdimensional life

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is simply a bridge too far for many

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people

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but that's from a psychological point of

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view so it's not even an objective

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conclusion they've come to through

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rational means i don't think they're

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even fully conscious of it i think that

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is such a leap for many people to even

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accept the fact that there may be

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another intelligent species in our midst

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and then another step further they are

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not just our equal but likely further

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advanced than us meaning they could

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control us and there's some evidence

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they do in various ways

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and then you go even another step to the

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idea that there is a universe teeming

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with life some of it interdimensional

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perhaps much of it interdimensional

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knowing that the average person in the

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population doesn't know what that is or

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what that means it's not part of their

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vocabulary whatsoever really they may

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have heard about it on a science fiction

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show and that's about it

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and you see how far away people are from

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really confronting and grappling with

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this truth it is just so many steps

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removed from most people's basic

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everyday experience of reality

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now a further implication of that

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confusion that unfamiliarity the average

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person in the population has for some of

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the terms we bantee about

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for those of us who discuss this

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phenomenon regularly

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it does get complicated when you talk

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about the extra dimensional versus the

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interdimensional hypothesis for instance

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now some people will argue back and

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forth debate back and forth based on

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what they think is objective data

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supporting one view or the other

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from my point of view that may be a

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foolhardy endeavor to some degree

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because i think our terms are too

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specific to concrete and i think there's

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probably a blend of those two going on

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and as we move forward we may in fact

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find that those two terms collapse into

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something

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larger more all-encompassing

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something that transcends and includes

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both of them or as i like to say

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transcludes

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now here's why i think it can be

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problematic to think about those two

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hypotheses as too concretized too

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specific and mutually exclusive

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the thing is any space-faring race will

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likely have conquered consciousness to a

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much further degree than we have

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they may in fact dwell in something

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people often refer to as hyperspace now

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if you're not familiar with that

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hyperspace which is also known as

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subspace over space or null space

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is a science fiction concept and it also

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has been found in various cutting edge

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science circles

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and it relates to higher dimensions and

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a super luminal method of interstellar

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travel that meaning faster than the

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speed of light

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as i've mentioned before i think it's

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hilarious honestly that's the word i

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would use when scientists or

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astrophysicists

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try and claim that interstellar travel

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is impossible pragmatically because the

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distances are so vast they assume that

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since we don't know how to get there in

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any kind of reasonable rate that no

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other intelligence would have figured

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that out either

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now the reason why i say that is

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hilarious is because again think about

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it we've come from horse and buggy to

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spacecraft that have now left our solar

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system

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in the course of about a hundred years

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so imagine how much further ahead a

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species or a civilization that may be

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millions or even billions of years ahead

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of us even a few thousand and they

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clearly would eclipse us

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to the degree where even our

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imaginations couldn't possibly conceive

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of these notions that may be commonplace

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for them

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now again hyperspace is one possibility

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and again that's just based on our

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current imagination our 21st century

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imagination it may be way off

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but even within our own civilization

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there are people who are imagining

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that

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in the future we won't actually move

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spacecraft using something like rocket

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engines no matter how powerful and

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efficient they are that's not going to

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help us accomplish true interstellar

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travel in an efficient manner

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rather you might convert matter into

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pure energy move it that way and then

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re-materialize somewhat like what we see

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in star trek

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or perhaps what you would do is somehow

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warp space time itself

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and therefore be able to transverse

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immense distances as if you're basically

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passing through a small doorway into an

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adjoining room

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this is how

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travel may look like for some of these

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interstellar species

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and again this is very difficult for the

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mainstream to wrap its head around

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largely because of hubris and nothing

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else

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because they

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use a measuring tape of our own progress

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our own conceptions to try and make

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absolute conclusions about what's

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possible with space travel which again

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is a very very foolhardy endeavor

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but to get back to my initial point

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these entities these intelligences may

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have begun as a biologically based

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species located on some other planet

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in some far-flung star system

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but once they reach a certain level of

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development their technology which would

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encompass both inner and external

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technology so both

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really advanced external technology that

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could manipulate matter and energy

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but also interior technology or what we

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might call inner science this

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understanding of how to move

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consciousness itself

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in other words these extraterrestrial

570
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,559
species or intelligences would also

571
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,320
likely be what we consider

572
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,840
interdimensional

573
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,000
and that's why i say these two

574
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:06,240
hypotheses or the two notions they're

575
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,039
based upon may indeed collapse as we

576
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,280
learn more about the nature of the

577
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,760
cosmos and of the very fabric of reality

578
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:15,919
itself

579
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,640
also the notion of a cosmos teeming with

580
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,120
life gets even more crowded once you

581
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,840
take into account the fact that even on

582
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,320
the earth life keeps popping up in

583
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:28,799
environments we previously assumed would

584
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,480
simply be completely inhospitable to it

585
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,120
that notion of what life even looks like

586
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:37,840
and where it can and does arise will

587
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,280
likely only keep expanding

588
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,520
but again while it's almost certain that

589
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,000
civilizations more advanced than ours

590
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:49,120
have and likely still are visiting us we

591
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,400
need not assume all of these others are

592
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:54,559
visitors to our planet

593
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,280
in fact that notion that this is our

594
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:59,760
planet really is likely to be put under

595
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,799
severe strain as revelations continue to

596
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,720
emerge in this field

597
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,480
and that's because i think it's highly

598
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,720
likely that groups of intelligences

599
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,360
exist right here in our midst if you

600
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,400
will and perhaps always have done

601
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,120
dwelling in a kind of shadow biome as

602
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:20,000
scientist eric davis puts it and it's

603
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:21,919
from this understanding that we get

604
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,880
hypotheses such as

605
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,440
ultraterrestrials

606
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,919
beings that both john keel and people

607
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,640
like hal put off have talked about

608
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:32,880
now again they talk about this notion

609
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,280
slightly differently for john keel

610
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,600
they're coming from this overarching

611
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,600
super spectrum that's all around us just

612
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,679
beyond our senses

613
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,679
and for someone like hal put off the

614
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,600
notion is slightly different

615
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,440
but the bottom line is they could be

616
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,919
beings that are either here perhaps in

617
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,320
our oceans and just have cloaking

618
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:53,840
technology or something like that or

619
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,320
even a consciousness cloaking technology

620
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,840
again it wouldn't have to be external

621
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,600
technology all they have to do is

622
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:00,559
prevent

623
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,520
our occipital lobe from noticing them

624
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:04,880
for instance

625
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,520
then they may be actually here on our

626
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,960
physical earth

627
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,360
or they may be creatures that are

628
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,159
traversing between some other dimension

629
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:16,159
and here and that's why i say sometimes

630
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:19,440
here and sometimes not still denisons of

631
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,230
now speaking of contact events and

632
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,320
different kinds of entities we may be

633
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,320
coming into contact with we've already

634
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,240
discussed extraterrestrials

635
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,039
interdimensionals and ultraterrestrials

636
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,200
and how those may be actually a blend of

637
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,279
all three

638
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,520
there are also occasions when we

639
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,000
actually initiate contact with them it's

640
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:46,799
not just a one-way street so to speak

641
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,080
we'll get to c5 or heist human-initiated

642
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:52,480
contact events in a moment

643
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,870
now on previous podcasts i've mentioned

644
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,120
in passing other ways that we can come

645
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,679
into contact with these others i'd like

646
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,080
to discuss that again a bit more now in

647
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,159
greater detail

648
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,400
one way is through a kind of meditation

649
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,799
where one creates a loose focus on the

650
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,360
small self and is therefore absorbed

651
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:17,760
into a kind of stream of consciousness

652
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,320
and when this happens different entities

653
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,240
and people for that matter

654
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,640
are encountered this has been known to

655
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,640
happen in fact for myself i've

656
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:28,159
experienced this and i've talked about

657
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,200
it before

658
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:30,960
for me it's actually the most successful

659
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,840
kind of contact i've experienced

660
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,240
at least in terms of me taking the front

661
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:38,320
foot so to speak and initiating the

662
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,760
contact

663
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,679
now sometimes when we enter into that

664
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,520
kind of meditation

665
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:46,320
time and space change we really do in

666
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:47,840
some ways

667
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,480
leave depart this construct this

668
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,240
physical construct that our physical

669
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,159
bodies are tied to

670
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,159
our consciousness transcends this

671
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,240
physical reality and merges with

672
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,080
something much bigger

673
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:01,840
something again outside of time and

674
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,480
space you might say

675
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:07,200
now joseph goldstein is a buddhist

676
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,799
writer that i enjoy

677
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,720
and i want to quote from his book

678
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,679
one dharma to describe this process a

679
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:16,000
little more clearly quote

680
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,000
as awareness becomes steadier and

681
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,720
concentration stronger the quality of

682
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,039
bear attention begins to reveal deeper

683
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:25,039
insights into the world and into

684
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,240
ourselves

685
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,080
we begin to cut through the stories we

686
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,400
tell ourselves about experience

687
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,640
living less in thoughts about things and

688
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,880
increasingly in the direct experience of

689
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:36,240
the moment

690
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:37,919
as one example we see that our

691
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,559
experiences of past and future are

692
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:42,960
simply thoughts in the moment and so we

693
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,720
become less caught up in them unquote

694
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,039
now again i don't think he had notions

695
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:51,600
of contacting alien intelligences in

696
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,159
mind when he wrote this passage but i do

697
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,559
think it's a consequence and implication

698
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:58,720
of what he's talking about here where

699
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:01,919
both time and space are transcended when

700
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,720
we do this we can contact these others

701
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,360
some of them anyway and meditation is

702
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,720
one form of this kind of contact

703
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,720
there are other ways as well

704
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:15,440
for instance shamanic journeys which can

705
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,399
be facilitated with natural compounds

706
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:20,320
such as those found in a brew like

707
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:21,679
ayahuasca

708
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:25,440
hallucinogenic brew made from one of

709
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,200
several amazonian plants containing dmt

710
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:31,279
which is the primary psychoactive

711
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,559
ingredient

712
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:35,279
and speaking of dmt for those who want

713
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:38,000
to take out the ritualistic aspect

714
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,840
of the process where ayahuasca tea is

715
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,440
drunk in

716
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,200
south american cultures for instance as

717
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:47,679
part of a religious practice

718
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,640
one can simply take dmt directly

719
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,720
and before you assume this is some sort

720
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,120
of really strange foreign drug our

721
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,840
brains naturally produce large amounts

722
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:59,039
of dmt

723
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,760
in fact it has been suggested that dmt

724
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:03,840
may be the psychoactive ingredient that

725
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,480
allows us to experience other dimensions

726
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,720
and even elements of spirituality the

727
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,360
ability to connect with larger elements

728
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,240
of the cosmos of reality and perhaps of

729
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,279
interdimensional hyperspace

730
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,360
and in terms of trying to visualize how

731
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,360
this process actually works

732
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,799
i think it's helpful to remember that

733
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,240
it's not so much that we're going

734
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:26,960
anywhere so much so that our normal

735
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:29,679
filters are simply taken offline for a

736
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,640
time

737
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,799
allowing us to better see what is all

738
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,360
around us already

739
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,200
take caution here because this could be

740
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,000
overwhelming in one massive reveal in

741
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,240
other words we have evolved like we have

742
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,240
where we filter out massive amounts of

743
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,399
data for a reason

744
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,640
primarily because our evolutionary

745
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,279
selves wanted to stay alive

746
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,360
and therefore it was important for us to

747
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:56,080
have the ability to only perceive and

748
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,200
deal with

749
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,520
the relevant data pertaining to us

750
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,799
staying alive

751
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:03,039
gathering food that kind of thing that

752
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,720
was what allowed us to perpetuate the

753
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:07,039
species in an earlier stage of our

754
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,159
existence

755
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,080
of course we're not in that place now

756
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,320
most of us and therefore we can look at

757
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,399
this somewhat differently

758
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,200
in other words now may be an apt time in

759
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:19,760
our civilization's history to begin to

760
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,640
learn to navigate these realms

761
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:24,480
perhaps with the assistance of

762
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:27,440
substances compounds like dmt which

763
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:30,399
again naturally occurs in nature and

764
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,320
also is naturally produced by our brains

765
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:36,559
now speaking of

766
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:39,039
the use of dmt and shamanic journeys and

767
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,399
that kind of thing

768
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:42,799
we would do well to remember that part

769
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:46,320
of the reason why our civilization

770
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,840
has such difficulty conceiving of these

771
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,080
multi-dimensional realities where the

772
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:54,799
universe is teeming with life is because

773
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:57,520
we are the byproduct of a

774
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,480
judeo-christian kind of history where as

775
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,480
i've discussed before

776
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,240
we have in our history kind of a

777
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,960
three-tiered perspective on reality

778
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,399
where you have the sort of dual

779
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,240
spiritual realms of

780
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,039
god and angels in heaven and satan and

781
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:14,799
demons in hell

782
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:17,760
and in the in between zone the earth

783
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,480
species like human beings and the other

784
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,760
animal creatures for other cultures for

785
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,720
instance

786
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,200
in the amazon and in parts of africa and

787
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,840
whatnot as well as in the united kingdom

788
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,080
in places like wales which have a very

789
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,000
rich and diverse history

790
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,720
shamanic experiences were very different

791
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,480
and are very different still today in

792
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,399
many of these societies

793
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,279
for many of them it is commonplace to

794
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:45,120
experience these other entities it is

795
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,679
part of their daily experience in fact

796
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,440
they will often actually seek the

797
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:51,360
guidance of these other entities in

798
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,399
order to

799
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,440
make their way in the everyday world

800
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,039
in other words we would do well to

801
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,600
remember that it is not all human beings

802
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,720
who find these notions so foreign

803
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:05,039
it is just western civilization and

804
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,720
again we tend to have a lot of hubris

805
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:08,880
and assume that what we think is what

806
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,120
goes but that is not the case and we

807
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,880
should remember cross-cultural

808
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:15,120
experiences here it is very telling when

809
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,360
it comes to this particular topic

810
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,519
and let me just take a moment to again

811
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,679
really drive home this point because i

812
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,840
think it is very important

813
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,000
for us to be cognizant of

814
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,480
when we are able to take these filters

815
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,200
offline these evolutionary filters that

816
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,519
have been in place since the dawn of

817
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:36,960
humankind

818
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,000
we were actually perceiving not less but

819
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:42,159
more of reality

820
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:43,600
again we've discussed the figure of

821
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,039
donald hoffman in this podcast before he

822
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,440
talks about how what we perceive is not

823
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,279
likely reality at all

824
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,679
but a construct an interface of sorts

825
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,240
that allows us to stay alive

826
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,279
but when these filters are taken offline

827
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,760
we are actually experiencing more of the

828
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,240
real world we have a notion of reality

829
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,200
that is actually closer to the truth i

830
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,120
think that's very important for us to be

831
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,590
and now i'd like to leave you with a few

832
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,360
concluding thoughts

833
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,440
i've already mentioned that it is a big

834
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,679
leap for people to go from understanding

835
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,240
we may not be alone in terms of other

836
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,200
intelligences in the cosmos to realizing

837
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:27,279
that they may in fact be in our midst

838
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,320
already and perhaps always have been

839
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:31,840
then there's the additional leap of

840
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,159
recognizing there may be a multitude of

841
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:36,880
such intelligences in fact a universe

842
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,519
teeming with life even locally in our

843
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,880
midst

844
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:42,399
but there's also the

845
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:45,679
leap for many into understanding that we

846
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:48,799
may not be the apex intelligence and i

847
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,000
say may in a somewhat coy way because i

848
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,919
think it's very clear based on the data

849
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,240
we've gathered thus far that we are not

850
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,399
the apex intelligence

851
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,480
now of course up until this point in our

852
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,120
history we've lived a very privileged

853
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,440
existence because we've been

854
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,159
unaware of these others and that's led

855
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,720
us to places of entitlement where for

856
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,120
instance we have a very

857
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,080
convenient shall we say interpretation

858
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,080
of our obligation to other animal

859
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,720
species present on the planet

860
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,200
when you are the apex intelligence that

861
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,240
place of entitlement allows you to not

862
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,720
really deal with for instance what it

863
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,720
would be like if the shoe was on the

864
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,159
other foot

865
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:33,840
but with the revelation we're talking

866
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:36,880
about here that not just one but perhaps

867
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,720
many superior intelligences are in our

868
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,720
midst not just far away

869
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:44,960
that is a very uncomfortable

870
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:47,679
inconvenient truth that many people will

871
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,320
have to suddenly deal with this is very

872
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,320
overwhelming and again this is why

873
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:55,120
disclosure in the short term in an

874
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:58,399
overwhelming way might not be the best

875
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:02,320
option for human civilization

876
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,440
lastly

877
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:05,360
speaking of disclosure

878
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,320
disclosure is like the horizon in that

879
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,320
we're getting closer but we'll never

880
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,839
fully get there

881
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,320
and this is because the ufo phenomenon

882
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,480
is like layers of an onion in that

883
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:19,119
whatever answers are tentatively offered

884
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,040
up only beget even deeper questions

885
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,359
and therefore i would say embrace and

886
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,520
enjoy the journey

887
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,679
not only do revelations from the ufo

888
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,599
phenomenon and other forms of high

889
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,679
strangeness for that matter

890
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,359
tell us that reality is much more

891
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:37,440
complex than we can currently account

892
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,639
for or even really fully conceive of

893
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,800
but the truth is this has always been

894
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,280
the case and importantly

895
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,960
always will be

896
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,040
i'm very much a believer in the buddhist

897
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,280
notion that everything is moving

898
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,280
everything is in transition that's just

899
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,200
the nature of reality

900
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,440
nothing is permanent in terms of this

901
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,000
relativistic kind of matrix-like reality

902
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:01,680
we live in

903
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,240
my perspective is that this lifetime is

904
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:06,800
but one of many iterations and we've

905
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:09,440
even talked about the others sharing

906
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,720
this truth with us and even experiencers

907
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,720
coming into an understanding of this

908
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,280
when they are either in between lives or

909
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:18,960
sometimes when they are in the realm of

910
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:21,440
these others this also happens for

911
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,359
people who have near-death experiences

912
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,359
speaking of this a famous quote from

913
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:29,760
tibetan buddhist meditation master

914
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,119
chogyam trungpa comes to mind here

915
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,599
when it comes to our understanding of

916
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:37,839
this particular reality this iteration

917
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,480
we're living in in this 3d plus one

918
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:42,800
reality which of course is only one

919
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:46,400
aspect of a much larger totality

920
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,520
he famously said quote the bad news is

921
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,440
you're falling through the air nothing

922
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,320
to hang on to no parachute

923
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,200
the good news is there's no ground

924
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,200
unquote

925
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,359
may we take that to heart not only in

926
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:03,760
how we live our lives but also in an

927
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:06,400
enthusiastic adventuresome pursuit of

928
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:09,680
the truth behind the ufo phenomenon and

929
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,200
ultimately behind reality itself

930
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:14,800
in other words again

931
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,240
embrace and enjoy the journey in the now

932
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,880
and on that note we've come to the close

933
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,640
of another edition of the point of

934
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,480
convergence podcast

935
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,119
as always let's keep this conversation

936
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,520
going and growing

937
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,760
but until next time friends from deep

938
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:35,599
within the blue ridge mountains of north